Jan 12, 2021
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I have had my Asian forest scorpion for 2 weeks it has not ate yet as far as I know humidity and temperature are fine substrate is good I have two hides a water dish I Mist daily and no light waiting on a black night light Heat also have a heat mat under the tank hides are away from heat mat I don't know if the Crickets I'm trying or too small or what he just backs away from them or they hide up Underneath Him also I've tried mealworms I've tried feeding with tweezers what do I do and leaving in tank over night
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Jan 12, 2021
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DaneanD said:
I have had my Asian forest scorpion for 2 weeks it has not ate yet as far as I know humidity and temperature are fine substrate is good I have two hides a water dish I Mist daily and no light waiting on a black night light Heat also have a heat mat under the tank hides are away from heat mat I don't know if the Crickets I'm trying or too small or what he just backs away from them or they hide up Underneath Him also I've tried mealworms I've tried feeding with tweezers what do I do and leaving in tank over night
They take some time to settle in.
When you say "heat and humidity are fine" what is the temperature?
The substrate looks shallow, it needs more.
Don't tong feed. If it's hungry it will eat.
You can leave crickets in overnight and remove them in the morning if it doesn't eat. Feed once or twice a month. Don't leave meal worms in for any length of time. They burrow and will gladly devour a molting scorpion.
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Temp is 70- 72
Humidity. Around 75 percent
Ok I'll add more substrate thx
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DaneanD said:
Temp is 70- 72
Humidity. Around 75 percent
Ok I'll add more substrate thx
Yes at least 4"-6" of substrate. Bump up the day temps to 80-82. You are keeping at temps that are perfect for night temps.
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DaneanD said:
Temp is 70- 72
Humidity. Around 75 percent
Ok I'll add more substrate thx
Day time temperature needs to be 80-85 F, night time lower. Take the heat mat from under the tank and place along the side. You don't need a massive deep substrate 3-4 ins. is fine. They are not great burrowers like Emperors. I hope the black light you are waiting for is a correct moonlight light and not a black light, black lights will kill a scorpion. Try a larger water dish that sits higher above the substrate then it should stay cleaner. If you use a bigger water dish place some small stones, pebbles in the dish to enable the scorpion to drink easily. Don't be tempted to put cotton wool in the dish, it will only harbor bacteria.
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No they love to burrow if you let them, 6"-7".
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Outpost31Survivor said:
No they love to burrow if you let them, 6"-7".
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Most likely to avoid the heat or to find correct moisture/ humidity levels. They are not renowned for burrowing living under leaf litter in shallow burrows.
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Dry Desert said:
Most likely to avoid the heat or to find correct moisture/ humidity levels. They are not renowned for burrowing living under leaf litter in shallow burrows.
They can found in burrows measuring up to 30cm.
From Prendini's 2020 Heterometrus revision, Heterometrus silenus:
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Specific substrate depth arguments aside, yes it needs more sub. Warm it up a bit with a heat mat on the SIDE of the tank (never underneath - they can cook themselves with a bottom-heated enclosure). DO NOT put a blacklight lamp on them - you can use one for a few seconds once in a while but they should absolutely not be exposed to UV light for a prolonged time. Drop in a cricket in the enclosure at night, walk away, and leave it alone. If the cricket is still there in the morning, take it out. Other than the minimum maintenance required, leave the creature alone to get settled.
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Albireo Wulfbooper said:
Specific substrate depth arguments aside, yes it needs more sub. Warm it up a bit with a heat mat on the SIDE of the tank (never underneath - they can cook themselves with a bottom-heated enclosure). DO NOT put a blacklight lamp on them - you can use one for a few seconds once in a while but they should absolutely not be exposed to UV light for a prolonged time. Drop in a cricket in the enclosure at night, walk away, and leave it alone. If the cricket is still there in the morning, take it out. Other than the minimum maintenance required, leave the creature alone to get settled.
Good to see someone more concerned in giving excellent advice - rather than point scoring.
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If you provide it 4-6" of packed coconut coir or peat moss if should burrow quite soon afterward but dont be alarmed if your happy scorpion will become mostly a pet hole. They usually start construction beneath whatever hide you provide them. Before I changed the terrarium from a 12"×12" to a ten gallon my H. silenus had a burrow dug to the bottom and it ran 90 degree along the glass sides.
Yes, never put a heat mat on the bottom as scorpions dig deeper to escape the heat. I use lamps with all of my scorpions.
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My H. silenus constructed two burrow entrances:
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Here's what I bought.. I tried looking up best bulb
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DaneanD said:
Here's what I bought.. I tried looking up best bulb
Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying. This is not a UV light, so it’s safe in that regard. It’s primarily a heat source, which it sounds like you don’t really need at night (assuming your nighttime temperatures don’t drop much from the 70-72° you mentioned above). Generally if you’re providing additional heat, you focus it on the daytime, and let it cool at night or just maintain a consistent temperature. If you just want a light for viewing night activity, you can use a red light.
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Outpost31Survivor said:
If you provide it 4-6" of packed coconut coir or peat moss if should burrow quite soon afterward but dont be alarmed if your happy scorpion will become mostly a pet hole. They usually start construction beneath whatever hide you provide them. Before I changed the terrarium from a 12"×12" to a ten gallon my H. silenus had a burrow dug to the bottom and it ran 90 degree along the glass sides.
Yes, never put a heat mat on the bottom as scorpions dig deeper to escape the heat. I use lamps with all of my scorpions.
I moved the mat from bottom to side...
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DaneanD said:
I moved the mat from bottom to side...
Oh and added more substrate.. Thank you
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UPDATE. Hes been out of his hide since yesterday.. I added the log.. Temps dont stay 80 f bc my house needs to be cooler for me t9 breath..i have the black heat lamp amd the heat mat on back of tank.. I only turn the red heat lamp or red basking light on for a little bit if temps get to 70 during the day.. Is this
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Just make sure you monitor that temperature and don’t let it get too high. You’ll also need to be a lot more vigilant with substrate moisture when you have additional heat sources - they can dry that enclosure out fast. Adding even more substrate would help, especially if you’re using a basking lamp - if it gets too hot, your scorpion’s instinct is to burrow deep to cool off.
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DaneanD said:
UPDATE. Hes been out of his hide since yesterday.. I added the log.. Temps dont stay 80 f bc my house needs to be cooler for me t9 breath..i have the black heat lamp amd the heat mat on back of tank.. I only turn the red heat lamp or red basking light on for a little bit if temps get to 70 during the day.. Is this
This species loves to burrow 4"-6" of substrate would work well. I have no experience with black heat lamp, I use red lightbulbs as scorpions can't see the red spectrum (or at least not disturbed by). CHE and infrared lamps work great too. The lamp should be on a thermostat as that remedies any overheating issues and potential fire hazards. Keep the waterdish on cool side and there is no need for stones if the scorpion can climb back out of the waterdish under its volition (water evaporation from the waterdish provides humidity). Ideal day temps are 80F-85F.
The main reasons a scorpion refuses food: 1. It is not hungry 2. It is in premolt 3. It is stressed by a lack of cover and hidey spots. 4. The temperatures are too low. 5. Adult males eat less frequently than adult females.
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